When Asked, Do Your Research!

???????????????????????????????It is a gorgeous late summer day in Minnesota, one of a handful we get each year, but last night was a harbinger of colder days to come. I awoke to frost and, of course, the end to the fragile vegetables that grow in my garden.

I had plenty of warning of this impending rime of ice, so yesterday, with some reluctance I picked every tomato, ripe or not. Every pepper was plucked and the yellow summer squash was gently removed from the vines that would soon be dead. With a lot of reluctance I left my garden a mere shadow of its summer self.

I am always sad to see the seasons change and my once burgeoning garden die but, just like we humans must change, the seasons must morph from summer to autumn, autumn to winter, winter to spring and back to summer again. It’s the cycle of life.


Iodine or not?

Speaking of change helps me segue to my next topic. I had an interesting experience this week that has caused me to change my mind. I was asked to be a moderator on a thyroid group, to try to help people who have this perplexing disease. That is what Krisinsight is all about, so at first I jumped at the chance to help even more people but then turned it down.

Why you ask have I turned down this opportunity? It seems I turned it down because I am not up-to-date with the latest thinking on iodine. I had said I would help out but then decided I should make sure I agreed with the recommendations the group makes. In asking some questions I discovered that they recommend iodine supplementation. I am not a supporter of iodine supplementation and that did it for me, I turned them down.

You see, 4 years ago my mentor was a “no iodine if you have Hashimoto’s” kind of gal. Her thinking, which is still correct, was based on the fact that iodine supplementation can cause flare-ups of Hashimoto’s and believe me flare-ups are not pleasant. She used to tell all of us that our thyroid medication filled all of our iodine needs and any further iodine would just make us sick.

I have adhered to this philosophy pretty stringently and it has worked for me. However, I have done many things that have improved my health including taking T3-only and healing my adrenals with Paul Robinson’s Circadian method of taking T3. I got my electrolytes normalized by taking slow release potassium and Celtic sea salt. I regularly take selenium and two years ago I went completely gluten-free which was one of the best things I ever did.

It is really hard to pinpoint that one thing that has made the difference but the hard truth is I may be healthy enough now to start supplementing iodine.

My Iodine history

I have a good reason for being wary of iodine despite the fact that it helps our bodies fight disease. I did take iodine about four years ago and I took 50 mg of Iodoral upon recommendation of another thyroid site dealing with iodine and Dr. David Brownstein. The idea is you detox bad things and the iodine feeds your thyroid and you get healthy with no other intervention. (Keep in mind that is a very simplistic and succinct statement it is far more complicated.)

At the time I took iodine my TSH went up to 13 which has never been the case not even when I was first diagnosed with thyroid problems umpteen years ago. That scared me and I lowered my dose but did not stop taking it. Once I started following advice on the RT3 Yahoo group I gave up additional iodine completely.

On changing one’s mind

Fast forward to my thinking as of today, my mentor’s advice is still sound when dealing with really sick and fragile people but there has been good patient feedback, according to Janie Bowthorpe, with healthy people taking small doses of iodine (as little as 3 mg of iodine and up to 12.5 mg of iodine).

My mentor was also correct we do get iodine in our thyroid medication but the amount of iodine in thyroid medications like Cynomel/Cytomel and NDT is measured in mcg and is inadequate to provide enough for your body as “the body is made up of about 1500 mg of iodine in all our tissues”. With the constant bombardment of fluoride and bromide (we need iodine to push the fluoride and bromide out of our thyroid receptors) it is reasonable to think that we need more iodine (measured in mg) than our thyroid medication (measured in mcg) is providing.


In conclusion, it seems reasonable to me to start supplementing with iodine but in very small doses. I am going to start with capsules by Pure Encapsulations (If you would like to order from iHerb you can use my coupon code YAN884 and get a discount on your first order) that only provide mcg of additional iodine. I already supplement 200 mcg  of selenium which is a must (start with selenium and then add iodine if you want to try it). I am going to add additional B1 and B2 because iodine works synergistically with those co-factors and also Vitamin K (which is also needed to utilize Vitamin D).

My thinking, and no one else’s, is if a small dose has no ill-effect on me I will raise my dose and eventually take 6.25 mg but no more. High dose supplementation as recommended by Dr. Brownstein and others just did not work well for me and I do not care to repeat my experience.

I have always really respected Dr. Joe Mercola and his ability to rethink his advice. Over the years he has changed his recommendation on the amount of water one needs to drink, how much protein your body requires and even the type of exercise that is the most efficient. I think we really need to be willing to change. If patient’s are being helped with some iodine supplementation and not experiencing an autoimmune flare-up, my time has come.



P.S. My recent Vitamin D test result was lower than February’s result yet again. In March my result was 74 ng/ml August’s results were 61 ng/ml. Every summer it is the same, my result is lower than the winter result when I am using my Mercola Sunsplash D-lites. This has now been true for 5 years.



6 responses to this post.

  1. The following is a post by a woman who for years has been my Afib guru. You may recall I mentioned her once before. She’s a retired dental hygienist.

    Jackie [ PM ]
    Re: Why am I experiencing cold hands and feet new
    July 21, 2013 10:43AM Registered: 2 years ago
    Posts: 2,132
    George – I’m glad you responded to my Iodine comments. It’s been on my mind to remind you to check your fluoride intake from municipal water relative to Iodine interference as mentioned in other posts as a link to AF.

    You may recall Erling’s history of becoming hypothyroid after moving to the Denver area and drinking the fluoridated water which is magnesium deficient as well. Prior to moving there, he had no symptoms or history of either hypothyroidism or Afib. He is sure the deficiencies in both iodine and magnesium were AF culprits and when he successfully repleted with the core heart nutrients, he cured his AF. He later began working on the hypothyroidism and had mentioned a persistent ‘internal coldness’ regardless of the weather even when using Armour thyroid hormone. That coldness resolved with iodine supplements and he was able to discontinue the thyroid hormone replacement.

    You asked about my experience with temperature and supplemental iodine. As is typical for me, nothing is either quick or simplistic, so it seems.

    My decision to use iodine did not come from any of the (many) doctors I consulted to find relief from hypothyroid symptoms nor was it linked to AF by any of them but since I had been following the Iodine deficiency links to many ailments, I requested the iodine challenge test from my FM MD.

    Then, when I tested low in iodine, I began a repletion program. Even though I’ve been working at repletion for several years, I’ve done it very slowly and timidly because I was paranoid about some interaction stimulating me into ‘hyper-thyroid’ territory and triggering AF. (That didn’t happen.) Initially, I began with microgram doses of an Iodine complex recommended by my FM MD and very gradually increased to milligram doses which were still very minimal in the overall iodine requirement…especially in a deficient body. (I could have just as easily used either the liquid Lugol’s or the Iodoral tablets).

    My history is such that I was probably born iodine deficient… having a mother who was born and raised in the Goiter Belt (NE Ohio) herself. I’m still in NE Ohio and for a period of years, I did drink fluoridated city water until moving to a rural area with well water in 1975. Still, any time I ate out, fluoridated water was/is everywhere. So that did nothing but contribute to hypothyroid symptoms which I have had all my life. No wonder I had so many iodine deficiency-related health issues…including AF.

    I’ve been using 6.25 milligrams of iodine complex for almost two years… and at times I’ve increased it to double dosing on MWF…just to see if I tolerated the higher amount. I did until the Lyme treatment saga and then it’s difficult to know which caused what but with that AF breakthrough period, I dropped back to the lower doses.

    As for basal temperature… mine typically were 96. 5 to low 97 point something. Never 98.6… and those measurements were after I had been up, moving around, driving to the doctor and having their auto-equipment with the under-the-tongue probe record the temperature. I was never disciplined enough to follow The Barnes protocol. The Exergen is much easier and undoubtedly more accurate.

    Recent Exergen recordings are 98.3, 97.8, 98.5, 98.1, 98.0, 98.3, 98.2….. so I’m making progress.

    The literature indicates that while the thyroid gland requires a significant Iodine quantity for function, other organs in the body including skin and all cells at the ion pump areas utilize iodine as well, so the body’s overall requirement is much higher than the meager ‘officially recognized’ recommendation of 150 micrograms daily. That’s just pathetic.

    As I mentioned, I have a large collection of Iodine research and hope to offer a report on the connection between iodine deficiency and arrhythmia, thanks to initial clues offer by William and the data-mining by Erling. (BTW, William has cured his AF and several other maladies with iodine repletion.)

    Meanwhile, following is a link to a great introduction on Iodine Insufficiency.
    Orthoiodosupplementation: Iodine Sufficiency Of The Whole Human Body
    Guy. E. Abraham M.D.1, Jorge D. Flechas M.D.2 and John C. Hakala R.Ph.3

    I’ll be happy to share more of my iodine info with you if you want to start reading prior to my formal report.



    • I find her journey not totally unlike my own, even accompanied by a high degree of skepticism (not to mention dental hygiene). My heart was at its worst when I took iodine which is why I am so cautious. At that time my heart would skip beats or have an altered beat every other beat or so from about 14:00-19:00. I would cough and cough but nothing would really stop it and I felt defeated. That was 2010 in January.
      I think the previous November, so 11/2009 I had an iodine loading test that revealed a low level of iodine and like Jackie I grew up in the goiter belt of southern lower Michigan, so that came as no surprise to me (I did read later that those tests can be inconclusive). I started taking iodine around that November date taking the high doses recommended by Brownstein (that is repetitive info) and I took iodine until July of 2010 with absolutely no improvement in my heartbeat and perhaps a decline. In July, I took Val’s advice on the RT3 group, got off iodine completely and have not supplemented it since.
      I am encouraged by Jackie’s experience and as soon as the iodine arrives I will give it a try working my way from mcg to mg and time will tell after that.
      Thanks for posting this Josh, I found it helpful and informative.


  2. Lest you wonder who your anonymous commenter is, I forgot that I had to login.


    • Too funny Josh, I was wondering. So you are taking 1 mg of iodine so far? And no side effects? I guess the test would be an antibody test down the road to see if taking iodine raises your antibodies but neither of the women I talked to had experienced that and one is taking 6.25 mg of iodine, the other 12.5 mg.
      I certainly can see the positive side to adding iodine, so long as it cause no autoimmune storm.


  3. Posted by Anonymous on 18:37 at Saturday, September 13, 2014

    I’ve been thinking a lot about increasing my iodine supplementation pretty much along the same scale that you outlined. I’m currently up to 1 mg and will continue to gradually raise my dose. Yes, selenium is essential but I don’t think you keep raising the dose in parallel with your increase in iodine. I recall advice suggesting to not go above 200 mcg per day.

    So how much iodine are you currently taking?


    • None. After discussing this issue with two informed individuals I think the time has come to try a small amount. At the moment I would not go above 12.5 mg of iodine (as in one half an Iodoral tablet). I, honestly, will start with the smallish mcg dose that Pure offers as I don’t trust any amount of iodine but given this report I am willing to give it a try. Does that answer your question?
      As for selenium it is advised that you never exceed 400 mcg per day and that includes all dietary selenium ( I have to mention that I have read that this “400 mcg” dose is not as important as “they” have made it sound). Today, I consumed 4 Brazil nuts and no other selenium. Tomorrow, I will take a 200 mcg capsule of selenium.
      I hope this helps you decide how you want to handle the iodine and selenium issue (and don’t forget B1, B2 and K).


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